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Always, an idea might origin from a senator, a journalist, a citizen ora president for instance.Yes or no?
-M: Yes. And this idea can be communicated to many others.But at no point is this idea separate from people.
mG: -Wrong, the authour might dissapear, but his ideas can live luckily.-M: Where would the ideas live, if not in people? Again, people are the ONLY dwelling grounds of ideas.
mG: -And the idea can be improved by anyone else, for instance if the firstoriginator is killed or muted. Yes or no?
-M: Yes, absolutely, and I encorage the improvement of ideas.
mG: -Start look at them as that then and not as part of persons. This isless arbitar ofcourse. So where is your correct conclusion?-M: Ideas are part of persons, which is why these ideas should be ranked by the ranks of those who endorse those ideas.
mG: Your idea of governance[SD2-S] is built around governors, giving a bias against RD.-M: No. SD2-S is built around the voting inputs, so it is nothing but RD.
mG: -But if the voting inputs are giving reps, you will have (maybeimproved but still) RD, wrong again.-M: The rep vote is the accumulation of all voters votes. No arbitrary math(such as the limitation to direct votes) has been introduced into the process. Didn’t you know this already?
mG: My [AD] is built arond the citizens, giving a bias against DD.Yes or no?
-M: Your system uses the lemming-algorithm,so it a fucked-up combination of DD and L-RD.And I don’t think that your use of L-RD creates a bias against DD -the direct voting appeases people’s arbitrariness.
mG:[…]Your conclusion about Lemming algorithms is nothing but bullshitwithout any proof of correctness.-M: The lemming-algorithm is vote directness. This is either directness toward an issue or a rep: DD or L-RD. Why not have chains of reps into infinity?
mG: And again, just because your own bias against RD have problems with arbitrariness when choosing whom to vote for, you can’t use that as a proof of the shortcomings of DD.So: wrong again. Wasn’t your goal to be correct in debates?
-M: The problem is arbitrary directness. It gives the lemmings too much power.
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