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mG: -This is claimed by you, please proove it.I could argue that the people of Switzerland, or Socrates probablywouldn’t agree with you.-M: Yes, but you are spreading the accountability way too thinly. :-(-M: When two wolves and one sheep vote for whats for dinner, the wolvesare not accountable to the sheep. Do you want to be the sheep?Likewise, do you want to be ruled by lemmings?
mG:[…] the comparison with wolfs and sheep is nonsencesince we are discussing equal righted humans…-M: Which is why, with SD2-S, that everyone initially has equal voting power.
mG:…with possibility to be anonymous. And the bill of rights is not existent for the sheep.Neither are there laws, TOP or media to cover the dinner of the wolfes.
-M: If AD uses the lemming algorithm, then the wolves can dupe the lemmings into a dinner.
mG: But not all can be solved by expendable top. Some issues are besthandled by broad participation…-M: “…broad participation…” can be useful, and this is allowed andeven encouraged by SD2-S.
mG: -Well, whats mainly encouraged in SD2 is voting for a rep. I would say.AD is doing it the other way around, with the possibility for adelegate. But this is my last comparison with systems that actually can bothe beoptions in a future TOP organization or country government.This debate is not leading to anywhere.-M: You said “SD2” – and yes, this is for selecting reps. But the system I am talking about is SD2-S, which has specialists for every issue,
-M: In a DD, the lemmings are not accountable to the other lemmings andnon-lemmings, just as with the wolf/sheep example. (I got this from the revolutionary Ben Franklin.)
mG: -Ben was wrong and he knew it.-M: Franklin and Hamilton were the best anti-imperialists this world has seen.
mG: He just needed to justify his own and other reps. future power.There is no logic in this since the lemmings in a RD are not neitheraccountable to each other. So they can go and elect Hitler.
-M: Again, the debate isn’t RD vs DD,
its lemming-algorithm vs Markov-algorithms,
and in the above example it is the lemming-algorithm which selected
Hitler.
So this is a point against you, and not me.
mG: By contrast either you or Franklin has a similar example to show forDD. Just BS theory frankly.
-M: You keep attacking L-RD. You are attacking the lemming algorithm which supports DD. I will let you continue to whup yourself.
-M: Ignorance and lack of vigilence. This is why intelligent and vigilent people must be selected to lead government.mG: -The people will never allow corruption if they see it and apossibility to remove it, this is prooven many times in history…
-M: EVERY SINGLE FORM OF CORRUPTION, WITHOUT EXCEPTION, HAS BEENCORRUPTION ALLOWED BY THE PEOPLE.mG: -As smart as saying that a burglar would meet no resistance in peopleshomes. Explain why anybody would accept stealing of his property?
-M: Its your BS. What is needed is a mechanism to find those that arecounter-corruption because the people as a mass can’t do it.
mG: -It will be impossible within a true TOP organization to steal.Your problem is how a rep can be fully TOP since he can’t be followedand tapped 24/7. Concentate on solving that instead.-M: I envision SD2-S to be TOP complient, so you aren’t making a comparison again.
mG: Maybe your invented people of lemmmings acts differently.-M: No differently than their lemminghood of history.
mG: -???Empty words again about the history. Where are the relevantexamples?-M: The bottom 50% percent of income earners in the world own only 1% of the world.
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Mark, Seattle WA USA
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