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S: Hey, Thanks for the link. I must be missing somthing though. At one point you state: Decisions are still made entirely by RD and then:
“-M: Its not proxy judgement or personal judgement, its proxyjudgement and personal judgement, so the position that one takes getscounted as the popular vote, and it gets counted as the proxy vote whensomeone else selects the voter.”
S: The second statement seems to imply that popular voting, ie DD, isplaying a role (which is what I understood from your screenshot), asopposed to what the first statement is suggesting. Could you clearthis? In the case of someone selecting a voter that has already cast avote as his proxy, isn’t it similar in effect as direct voting? Feelfree to point me to an old post if this has been discussed before.
-M: The screenshot/ballot provides for a DD-like input, and this data gets used:
S: As a remark, it seems predictable enough that with the sheer number ofpossible issues, very few people would be actively involved with anissue and not be representing other voters as proxies for that issue.
-M: Thats why I would have numerical thresholds for issues also.
S: By the same token, if one doesn’t follow debates, it seems unlikely hewould have any opinion beyond what his proxy filters down and advises.
-M: Then the proxies’s opinions are needed.
S: Why not then allow direct voting? Proxies do have to start somewhere..
-M: What is direct voting? How it is done, or how it is counted?
With SD2-S, the direct vote is always allowed, and it is always counted atleast for deliberation purposes.
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Mark, Seattle WA USA
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Hey,
I guess I should have started by asking this instead. Do you have a definition document of some kind of SD2-S as a system? Instead of asking fragmentory questions and getting logically fragmentary answers, it’d probably be a better starting point. I have to say I am confused as to the thresholds, whether it’s all functionning in parallel or as aggregates, whether you actually expect 40% of the whole voting population to cast a direct vote on each issue – even if through a position through proxy, etc etc etc. And direct voting is a voter directly casting his vote to be counted on a given proposal/issue.
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S: I guess I should have started by asking this instead. Do you have adefinition document of some kind of SD2-S as a system?
-M: Good question. I just now looked and the closest thing to
documentation is my ‘screenshot’ posts. I do have a Yahoo group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sd-2/
and my constraints for SD2 as an umbrella system are here.
But this is just for selecting generalist/trustees/directors, SD2-S is
much more sophisticated.
To understand SD2-S, look at the screenshot, and understand the default
hierarchy:
If specialists are not selected by the voter for an issue, then the
previous generalist/trustees are defaulted to.
S: […]whether you actually expect 40% of the whole votingpopulation to cast a direct vote on each issue – …
-M: No, 40% of whoever votes, by popular vote. A majority isn’t needed as long as the default 60% of PageRanked proxy vote is met.
S:…even if through a position through proxy, etc etc etc.
-M: And the representitive vote is determinned by PageRank – this is the proxy vote, and this needs 60% by default.
S: And direct voting is a voter directly casting his vote to be counted on a given proposal/issue.
-M: OK, ‘to be counted’ , which does what? With SD2-S, this either triggers deliberation thresholds or not.
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