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Hey Abd,
So on the whole FA/DP points, I have already expressed my divergence of opinion. I believe that you may not be able to reach a critical mass of people who just talk (except maybe as an established politician, but I doubt one would give back power so readily), there needs to be an incentive – in the case of a political system the incentive is for decisions to carry power. You can argue that if deliberations and votes gather enough popular support this would influence decisions, but you still need to reach a critical mass before that happens – and the time needed to reach this critical mass is anyone’s guess if it is even possible and if people don’t lose interest at a faster rate than they join up.
As already stated, imo there is a need to start implementation of power-carrying systems straight away but humbly, at a very small level, local public collectivities, associations, maybe some companies. As all the experiments feed their remarks and insights into the system it can evolve gradually to take on larger tasks safely.
Right, so for your point on proxy protection to be valid there needs to be a small enough number of representatives for the protection ressources available to be sufficient. When talking of a participative or distributed system, a small number of reps is clearly not the likely outcome. And if you are going back to a system where representants are a very small part of the citizen body with special privileges etc, then I doubt instant recall will be very practical or practiced and that prevents DP from functionning. And while your point on graft / vote buying is true of a large body of proxies, restricting their number so that they can be protected puts the system at increased risk in this respect.
As for the examples of the US, I lived there a couple years so without being an expert in any way, I still have some knowledge of what the country’s attitudes may be. I was still living there when the war on Iraq was launched, I saw more than once Germans or French escape troubles just because some drunk overheard the accent (the infamous axis of weasels..), and I have seen some fistfights in peaceful protests. Other examples? Do you know critical mass, the bike riding thing? Well, how about cars running into bicycles on purpose – just because the driver is pissed off that once a month a bunch of people take a ride through town? I also remember the bottles of French wine being poured down the drain with as much publicity as could be gathered and the sales dipping because France was being a good ally and trying to prevent the US from getting itself and the unwilling rest of the West into the mess we are in today. But no it got vilified and French exports to the US suffered. Need more examples? How about addressing corruption in Italy – do you really think there would be enough carabinieri to protect the whistleblowers from the mafia when even special judges and prosecutors are vulnerable and are once in a while killed?
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would identity protection (and complete transparence otherwise) be both a more accessible and better protection and a clearer simpler system?
One last point:
1) Sure. Which is why you don’t start with highly controversial topics.You let people in places safe from retaliation do it. The most youneed is a base layer that is secret, and that brings together enoughpeople under a single proxy that the group or society can afford toprotect the proxy.
OK so first I am confused as to whether you think starting highly controversial topic is dangerous as stated in 1, or whether you agree that such topics exist but don’t think they are a problem as stated indo you disagree that alldemocratic countries have issues so charged with passions that it mayconstitute a danger for open debate?2) I agree that there can be such issues. But I disagree that it is a problem.
Best regards,
Serge
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