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Hi Søren,
impressive agenda! I’ve read it all and it is quiet ambitious! As this program is running, I am sure plenty of experiences have already collected.
One question I found in the press was if discussion is enough if the results tend to be without consequences afterwards:
Actually this is the question which drives me most: How can one aggregate results from discussions that have enough potential to “survive” and are not buried quickly in some papers? Well I have some ideas, but one more thought before:
If you look to large corporations – the executives there have kind of “absolute power” which is not democratically legitimated and they are also not very accountable for what they do, like Enron (or in Austria BAWAG more recently) demonstrates.
but
market forces keep the executives up at night and keep the system changing. Thus there is pressure – with the result that today’s corporation get rid of their hierarchies. There is little “top down” command and control in place any more. That’s simple because “floor level employees” talk to those people – clients, partners, colleagues directly “to get the job done”. Climbing up the ladder (like – my local boss, the country manager, the other country manager, etc …) is too slow to be successful.
The result: hierarchies do not matter any more. I think that’s part of the problem: The E.U. is simply not relevant for the citizens live, and they can’t influence it thus it is ignored and blamed for all the bad.
We need direct involvement, not all 5 years but on a daily basis.
From “the other side” – there is all those information, judgment,passion, … wisdom out there – and it is not used! To give you one example: HP made an “opinion market” about sales decisions where ordinary employees traded decision items at lunch. They actually outperformed the decision making executives on a 3:1 ratio.
The consequence: Only those organizations who get smarter survive in the market. And for the E.U. it’s the same on the global playground. People know or feel this.
… uups, didn’t want to get emotional … sorry
but this would be my feedback to your text: Will it help to “really” involve people in the end? If the level of commitment from the commission could be improved that something happens after the paper is delivered … that would make all the difference!
Looking forward to today afternoon – around 3 or 4 pm your time? I’ve also invited Manu – the French guy working on an Internet parliament …
Enjoy, Klaus
Søren Winther Lundby schrieb:
Hi Klaus,Could it be tomorrow? I have meetings in Copenhagen all day long. What is MEZ?Concerning skill and resources I somehow agree, on the other hand I am also sure that the EU will have to invest much more in these matters. Not at least to ensure the face-to-face element and that to ensure that this will not only address the “elite”. By the way: Could you take a look at the attached document regarding The European Foundation for Democracy? I have the commissioner behind me on this point and I have some of the high level contacts in www.efc.be This might be something for Citizens Europe as well.. I will elaborate on the text next week. John Palmer (now retired from the EPC) is also 100% involved. All the bestSoren——-Oprindelig meddelelse——-Fra: Klaus [mailto:klaus@hammermueller.at] Sendt: 30. marts 2006 04:25Til: Søren Winther LundbyEmne: Re: SV: nyteuropa.orgHi Søren,yes, I’ll be in HK fore some more month, being here one really feels where ones roots are … and can feel the dynamic from awakening Asia too. Thus plenty of motivation.The CMS I am using is a LAMP based called http://tikiwiki.org – because of all the nice features. There might be others with a more simple interface, well a mater of taste.Impressive work, your paper! I had a short look, but I’ll print it out to read it more carefully. For a chat you can find me at Skype or ICQ: hammkl – looking forward to it! I’ll be online today afternoon (4pm MEZ) or tomorrow too.I can provide a (much shorter) paper too about an aspect on how to involve more people:http://our-constitution.org/tiki-index.php?page=InspiringByParticipationI basically believe that there is all the skill and resources are out there to make a difference in our lives – we have just to figure out how to activate all that brain power.Looking forward to chat!Enjoy, KlausSøren Winther Lundby schrieb:Hi Klaus,This is very interesting indeed! I have to finish a few things today, and tomorrow I have meetings in Copenhagen all day long, but Friday I will get back to you. Maybe we should have a chat on the phone in the nearest future? Are you still living in HK? We are just about to streamline our English website – trying to make itlook just as professional as all the ones in which you are engaged. (Can I ask you: Which open source CMS would you recommend?) I have attached a paper that I wrote some months ago (prior to the no-votes) on ‘participatory democracy’. Lately I have somehow succeeded to become Special Advisor to Vice-president Margot Wallström.I also checked out http://www.c-o-e.net/index.php We are definitely thinking along the same lines. I was very cheered up reading this!;-) All the bestSoren——-Oprindelig meddelelse——-Fra: Klaus [mailto:klaus@hammermueller.at] Sendt: 29. marts 2006 11:55Til: Søren Winther LundbyCc: Andreas HeindlEmne: nyteuropa.orgHi Soren,I learnt about your initiative at your posting at* http://europa.eu.int/debateeuropeThere are others too who care about how to contribute to our future.There is a German guy who is writing wikipedia – like a new proposal:* http://wikitution.orgWell, I have also started a initiative about how to involve more people in this process:* http://our-constitution.orgRecently I got into contact with a group of people who are forming a club “Citizens of Europe” who do projects like this* http://www.c-o-e.netAnd then there is a French guy who are actually is building an Internet parliament (or voting platform)* http://leparlement.orgMaybe it make sense to pull our efforts together from your point of view?What do you think?Enjoy, Klaus
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